Never use this in new vehicles...!!

[Pathfinder1]

Hi...


I hope that this comes through. It has to do with the new 'approved' fuel mix for vehicles...E15 gasoline. It's a killer of vehicle engines and related engine equipment.


Warnings Not to Use


NOTE: it may take a minute or so to pull up. And, should have read "do not use in OLDER vehicles"...older than 2012...!!

[Grandpa]

Good point there. Thanks for posting.

[wvbreamfisherman]

Never use this in ANYTHING!

Ethanol in fuel is the biggest scam (well perhaps wind power) to come along in recent years.

[ppine]

There is nothing inherently wrong with ethanol. Far from it. The Brazilians run their economy on ethanol made from sugar cane and export it. Flex fuel vehicles can run on E85. Just make sure what fuel you put in your vehicle and what is recommended for it.

There is nothing wrong with wind power either, although there are some grid issues relating to building the infrastructure to move the power around. The US is stuck on oil which is what we like to fight over. The sooner we add these other fuel sources to mainstream users, the sooner will be energy independent and we can stop fighting in the Middle East. Most people still don't know what countries are number one and number two exporters olf oil to the US.

[wvbreamfisherman]

Wind power is a huge joke. When it's needed most, the wind doesn't blow. Look at Great Britain last winter. When it was coldest, and the need for power was highest, the wind didn't blow.

Also, it is highly variable and stresses the grid, requiring more peaking sources like gas turbines, which can be spun up and down quickly to compensate. It is not useful at all ad a base load.

It is not viable at all unless heavily subsidized. It requires far more resources to maintain a huge number of windmills strung over hundreds of miles, that it does a nuculear , gas or coal-fired plant.

Many of the older windmills are worn out and/or feathered or freewheeling once the initial tax benefits are exhausted.

As far as ethanol goes, its a much less btu-concentrated fuel than gasoline or diesel. It requires different tanks, lines and seals. It cannot be transported in oil pipelines and must be barged, trained or trucked. (As does biodiesel,, but that's another story).

MAYBE, in Brazil, it is viable, made from sugar cane (which is a fertilizer-intensive crop (nitrate fertilizer requires significant energy to produce)).

Here in the USA, I highly doubt if it can be competitive with even petroleum made from gas-to-liquid technology. It's certainly not with plain ole oil... The only reason we're stuck with inferior performing 10% ethanol gasoline is a mandate.

Not to mention the effect that the mandate has had on food pricing. (Again, a whole, different discussion).

Spain, Germany, Britain have all thrown enormous piles of money into various "green" schemes and have found it to be a huge drag on their economies.

As far as replacing imported oil, CNG and or gas-to-liquid are much more economical and won't require huge financial subsidies.

IF the Greens don't succeed in stopping shale gas, tar sands and Bakken-style petro/gas development as well as modern nuclear systems like pebble-bed reactors, the USA and canada will almost certainly become far more energy that with an equivalent amount of effort thrown into dead ends like wind, ethanol, and solar (Passive solar and "possibly" some solar electric in high sun areas may be viable without subsidies, but the numbers aren't encouraging.)

[ppine]

It should be obvious to any one with a background in science, that the long-term solution to the world's energy needs is in renewables. The sooner we start making the transition the better.

Canada is our number one importer of fuel and it comes mostly from tar sands. Mexico is number two. I worked on many synfuels projects in the 1970s and 1980s like tar sands and oil shale which perfected the technology that we use today.

[BGreen]

It all sounds so complicated. How on earth are we going to be able to sustain growing populations and provide for their energy demands when we can't even refrain from cutting down all the trees to make room for more big box stores?

[Cappy]

Well I aint no chemist or scientist, but I know ethinol and Lousiana humidity dont work together. Ethinol is a hydrogen leach. Water is a hydrogen sourse. they bond together. This is bad news for stuff that sits around, like my jeep, fishing boat, tiller, etc. I have learned a hard expensive lesson that ethinol gas should have an expiration date on it like a gallon of milk. I am sure its fine for continous use vehicles and we use it with no worries inh our SUV. Peg keeps that running around town when I'm on da boat. One of my ethinol free gas stations went back to ethinol gas and forgot to take the 'free' sign down. That cost me a trip to the boat shop and a fit cleaning the carb on da jeep. If ya got something ya park for a while make sure and use ethinol free gas and add stabil for good measure. This can save ya big bucks. Take it from a guy who learned da hard way.

[ppine]

BGreen,
You need to get out more. The forests in this country suffer from a lack of harvesting, are overstocked and prone to fire. Cutting more is the only solution.

[Pathfinder1]

Originally Posted by ppine

BGreen,
You need to get out more. The forests in this country suffer from a lack of harvesting, are overstocked and prone to fire. Cutting more is the only solution.

Hi...


Didn't know that...thanks...!!